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« Odgovori #60 u: 23-02-2018, 22:59:30 »
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« Odgovori #61 u: 24-02-2018, 02:29:29 »
Iako sam anti-fan Alonsa, stvarno je tuga videti ovakav McLaren bolid...

 

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« Odgovori #62 u: 24-02-2018, 06:04:18 »
Nisu ni zadnjih par godina imali vise reklama, ali ovakav livery to jos puno vise naglasi.  Ferrari je sad isto puno prazniji bez Santandera
 

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« Odgovori #63 u: 24-02-2018, 09:11:17 »
Da, baš mi je Ferrari upao u oko. Oni zapravo vise nemaju glavnog sponzora.

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« Odgovori #64 u: 24-02-2018, 14:32:03 »
Evo jedna lagana analiza SKY teama do sad predstavljenih bolida...


The overwhelming area of attention for everyone has been in the super-sensitive area between the front axle and the sidepods - and this has brought variation between teams and innovation in the layout and design of both. These two components are crucially linked and can almost be considered as one. The greater bodywork freedoms granted in this part of the car from last year onwards have brought about much greater design variation in this interlinked area.

What is very clear is that last year's Ferrari SF70H has turned out to be the most influential design of recent years - with most of the 2018 cars adopting its treatment of the sidepod/side impact structure. Only Mercedes and McLaren so far have not done so. The Red Bull, Williams, Haas, Sauber and Renault (as well as the new Ferrari) all incorporate a separate side impact structure ahead of the sidepods.

Not having the impact structure built into the sidepod housing allows the airflow that has been interrupted by the front wheels more distance in which to re-attach itself to the side body surfaces, for greater aero efficiency. The other way of achieving a similar effect is moving the front axle line forward relative to the sidepods - bringing a longer wheelbase, ie the Mercedes approach.

As for the sidepods themselves, there is great variation in where the radiator inlets have been placed - high or low - how they are shaped and how big they are. Generally, the high positioning of the rad inlets allows a more extreme undercut to the lower part of the pod as seen from head-on (so with a wide top and narrow bottom). This layout promotes a low-pressure area at the bottom which the air rushes to fill, thereby increasing the speed of the air from there and down the side of the car towards the downforce-inducing surfaces at the back.

The speed of the airflow over the various surfaces determines the downforce generated. On a car travelling at 150mph, the air speed over critical surfaces may be 200 or even 300mph, as the various vanes and contours create pressure changes. More air speed over those surfaces equals more downforce.

However, placing the radiators high and shaping the bodywork around that increases the car's centre of gravity height - not a good thing, placing extra loads on the tyres for a given cornering force. So some teams prefer to mount the radiator inlets low. The air can still be made to accelerate around the sidepods with low-mounted radiators, albeit not so easily. Last year's Ferrari had high sidepod inlets, Mercedes low. This year, both are high.

There is a very intricate and aerodynamically sensitive relationship between the front suspension and sidepod. There is only so much air pressure to go around - and some of it has to be used to feed the radiators with cooling air. The remainder can be used to create downforce.

As the air makes its way to the radiator intakes, obviously the front wheels and suspension get in the way. Nothing much can be done about the wheels, but the placement of the suspension wishbones are very much determined by the aero demands rather than the mechanical geometry.

Last year Mercedes (and Toro Rosso) placed the upper wishbone unnaturally high, mounting it at the wheel end to an upward extension from the wheel upright. This allowed air heading for the low-mounted radiator inlets to pass beneath the suspension with minimal disruption (the more it's disrupted, the slower the airflow will be), thereby allowing the radiators to be smaller than would otherwise be necessary. That was last year's Mercedes approach.

The other way to skin that particular cat was to do what Ferrari did - with conventional, lower suspension, but high radiator inlets. In this concept the airflow destined for the radiators travelled above the suspension.

 But what Mercedes has done with the new W09 is combine the high suspension - which also brings benefits to the airflow used for downforce creation - with high radiator inlets (also good for downforce creation). In order for that to work, the air is scooped from beneath the suspension by a dramatic long lateral vane atop the barge boards and sent directly to the sidepod inlets.

It could be that only a very long distance between the front axle and sidepod (ie long wheelbase) allows enough airflow capacity to feed such a system and create plenty of downforce.

This has allowed Mercedes to retain its long wheelbase/low rake concept - or, expressed another way, the long wheelbase has allowed this unique combination of high suspension/high inlets to address the downsides of Merc's existing low-rake concept. A lot of attention has been paid to lowering the centre of gravity in the new Mercedes engine - to offset the effects of having both high radiators and suspension, not to mention the halo.

Ferrari has stayed faithful to the concepts of the very influential car of last year. A slight increase in wheelbase (believed to be 5cm) has allowed a greater downforce-generating floor area - and an even more aggressive treatment of the sidepods. The front suspension remains conventional, allowing the radiator airflow to go over the top.

The Williams FW41 appears to share the same sort of concept and is almost totally unrelated to last year's FW40.

Both the Red Bull RB14 and Sauber C37 are cars with very narrow sidepods, chasing aero efficiency.

  The Sauber is very innovative, with the most extreme version yet of the high front suspension - and a very low siting of the main radiator intake, with a smaller separate intake higher up. This layout makes for a 'fatter' rear end and will impose a very different aerodynamic philosophy. But it may well have the lowest centre of gravity of any of the 2018 cars.

The McLaren MCL33 superficially appears the least changed from its 2017 descendant but features much higher and smaller radiator inlets that have allowed a more extreme undercut.

The McLaren's front wing has a much more dished proportion to its arrangement of multi elements - diving down from high outer to low inner - suggesting a more aggressive chase of aerodynamic load. Probably in the expectation of having more horsepower than last year to push it along.

How all this variation plays out we'll begin to find out at Barcelona in a few days.
 

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« Odgovori #66 u: 26-02-2018, 08:28:40 »
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« Odgovori #67 u: 26-02-2018, 08:34:43 »
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« Odgovori #68 u: 26-02-2018, 09:08:33 »
RB14  službene boje za sezonu



« Zadnja izmjena: 26-02-2018, 09:09:05 od IvanGT »
 

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« Odgovori #69 u: 26-02-2018, 16:27:12 »


Evo kako to izgleda s HALO zaštitom, osim toga možete vidjeti kako i koliko Robert može koristti desnu ruku.
 

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« Odgovori #70 u: 26-02-2018, 19:26:08 »
Bude njima halo zaštita...nema šanse da pri tiolikim brzinama to govno neće smetati. A ružnijeg dodatka na F1 bolidu nije bilo u cijeloj povijesti.
Btw, negdje načuh da F1 ostaje na Areni...
« Zadnja izmjena: 26-02-2018, 19:27:02 od Flavio »
 

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« Odgovori #71 u: 26-02-2018, 19:58:13 »
Testing Day 1

                                                 Time        Laps
1   Daniel Ricciardo   Red Bull   1:20.179   105   
2   Valtteri Bottas   Mercedes   1:20.349   58
3   Kimi Raikkonen   Ferrari      1:20.506   80   
4   Nico Hulkenberg   Renault   1:20.547   73   
5   Fernando AlonsoMcLaren   1:21.339   51   
6   Carlos Sainz Jr.   Renault   1:22.168   26   
7   Lewis Hamilton   Mercedes   1:22.327   25   
8   Brendon Hartley   Toro Rosso   1:22.371   93   
9   Lance Stroll   Williams      1:22.452   46   
10   Romain GrosjeanHaas F1   1:22.578   55   
11   Marcus Ericsson   Sauber   1:23.408   63   
12   Nikita Mazepin   Force India 1:25.628   22   
13   Sergey Sirotkin   Williams   1:44.148   28   
 

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« Odgovori #72 u: 26-02-2018, 20:34:29 »
Šta je ovaj sirotkin testirao 28 krugova? Prvu brzinu?

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« Odgovori #73 u: 27-02-2018, 00:29:18 »
Gdje je Vettel cak je i hamilton testirao
 

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« Odgovori #74 u: 27-02-2018, 19:00:22 »
2018 Ferrari SF71H vs Alfa Romeo Sauber C37   :Hm  :p


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« Odgovori #75 u: 27-02-2018, 19:51:47 »
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« Odgovori #76 u: 27-02-2018, 20:04:05 »
Day 2

1. Sebastian Vettel GER Scuderia Ferrari         1m 19.673s 91 laps

2. Valtteri Bottas FIN Mercedes AMG Petronas Motorsport       1m 19.976s 91 laps

3. Stoffel Vandoorne BEL McLaren F1 Team       1m 20.325s 37 laps

4. Max Verstappen NED Aston Martin Red Bull Racing       1m 20.326s 62 laps

5. Carlos Sainz Jr. ESP Renault Sport Formula One Team        1m 21.212s 65 laps

6. Pierre Gasly FRA Red Bull Toro Rosso Honda         1m 21.318s 76 laps 

7. Robert Kubica POL Williams Martini Racing          1m 21.495s 32 laps

8. Sergey Sirotkin RUS Williams Martini Racing         1m 21.822s 52 laps

9. Esteban Ocon FRA Sahara Force India F1 Team        1m 21.841s 78 laps

10. Charles Leclerc MON Alfa Romeo Sauber F1 Team         1m 22.721s 81 laps

11. Kevin Magnussen DEN Haas F1 Team         1m 22.727s 32 laps
 

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« Odgovori #77 u: 27-02-2018, 20:29:02 »
Mclaren i Renault brzi, bome i minardi nije loš.
Ništa ipak od saubera

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« Odgovori #78 u: 27-02-2018, 23:02:12 »
nisi uzeo faktor guma, kao niti da je staza na 4 stupnja i totalni promašaj..
posljepodne je i snijeg padao.

iz bahraina su im tweetali sliku.. Barcelona temp 4, Bahrain 23... where do you go for testing?  :lol

mcl vrijeme napravio na novim hypersoft, merc na medium, ferrari na soft...
al sve to oko vremena tu nije toliko mjerodavno kad u pravom race vikendu ide 5 sekundi brže..
 

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« Odgovori #79 u: 27-02-2018, 23:17:49 »
Je, nisam u mogućnosti to ozbiljnije popratiti. Vidim samo da su vremena oba vozaca podjednaka pa ih uzimam za relevantne.
Trebali su ići u Brazil ili Argentinu  :hap:

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« Odgovori #81 u: 01-03-2018, 11:40:54 »
Jebes ova vrimena sa testiranja. Kad krene show onda se sve to minja.
Al Ferrari daleko najbolje izgleda na stazi, pa i sa ovim tangama  :crazy:
 

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« Odgovori #82 u: 01-03-2018, 11:52:51 »
Ma ništa od Ferrarija do 2026-te.
Oni vole uzet vremena

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« Odgovori #83 u: 01-03-2018, 18:41:40 »
 

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« Odgovori #84 u: 01-03-2018, 18:42:37 »

First test fastest laps so far
Lewis Hamilton, Mercedes, Day Four, Mediums, 1:19.333

Sebastian Vettel, Ferrari, Day Two, Softs 1:19.673

Stoffel Vandoorne, McLaren, Day Four, Hypersofts, 1:19.854

Valtteri Bottas, Mercedes, Day Two, Mediums, 1:19.976

Daniel Ricciardo, Red Bull, Day One, Mediums, 1:20.179


cca 1,5 sec brži nego prošle godine na prvom testiranju..

nastavlja se sljedeći tjedan.
 

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« Odgovori #85 u: 01-03-2018, 19:13:28 »
Honda 147 krugova, nisu ih toliko skupili u cijelim prošlogodišnjim testiranjima

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« Odgovori #86 u: 01-03-2018, 19:37:48 »
da.. čim su se riješili MCL odmah ide odlično..
bilo bi fora da torro rosso završi ispred mcl, iako je to teško za očekicat..  :lol
 

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« Odgovori #87 u: 02-03-2018, 21:19:21 »
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« Odgovori #88 u: 02-03-2018, 21:26:33 »
Taj halo bi zajedno sa prijateljem Totom Wolfom isjeko motorkom   :ne2:
 

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