Alfa Romeo Jankovits 6C 2300 (Aerodinamica Spider)

[GTJ]

"A Croatian journalist has promised to see if he can find any long-time residents of Rijeka who remember the car, and the owner is planning to take it there for a tour of its old haunts. Maybe the Aerospider hasn’t quite yet given up all its secrets."

Tko je hrvatski novinar koji je obećao istražiti postoje li živući svjedoci koji su u to vrijeme auto viđali na ulicama Rijeke ili poznavali njegove konstruktore? Je li uspio što saznati...?

[DMJ]

"A Croatian journalist has promised to see if he can find any long-time residents of Rijeka who remember the car, and the owner is planning to take it there for a tour of its old haunts. Maybe the Aerospider hasn’t quite yet given up all its secrets."

Tko je hrvatski novinar koji je obećao istražiti postoje li živući svjedoci koji su u to vrijeme auto viđali na ulicama Rijeke ili poznavali njegove konstruktore? Je li uspio što saznati...?

Novinar je Daniel Tomičić, a koliko znam nije saznao ništa, osim što je i on u međuvremenu zaključio da aktualni vlasnik malo pretjeruje s fabriciranjem povijesti...

Mislim, da se razumijemo, znam za taj automobil od sredine devedesetih i tek se u zadnje dvije-tri godine počelo pričati o toj vezi s Janom i tvornicom, što je bez ikakvih čvršćih temelja... Znamo vrlo malo, nažalost mislim da je i drugi brat Jankovits nedavno umro.

[a.m.alfa]

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[a.m.alfa]

Goodwood festival of speed - Alfa Romeo 2010

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[ijuric]

http://planb.tportal.hr/teme/77661/Alfa-Jankovits-misteriozni-automobil-iz-Rijeke.html

vid netko se sjetio clanak napisati...

[a.m.alfa]

http://planb.tportal.hr/teme/77661/Alfa-Jankovits-misteriozni-automobil-iz-Rijeke.html

vid netko se sjetio clanak napisati...

 

[ijuric]

 

     najljepse se ljubit u ovim mirnim kutcima foruma di nas nitko ne vidi 

[veloce]

.....U Rijeci je između dva svjetska rata napravljen auto koji je po mnogočemu bio ne samo ispred svog, nego i ispred našeg vremena. Riječ je o Alfi Romeo 6C 2300 Aerodinamica Spider, odnosno, kako je danas poznata u svijetu - Alfi Jankovits ili Alfi Aerospider. Odgovorni za ovo unikatno remek djelo su braća Oscar i Gino Janković. No cijela priča oko jedine Alfe ovog imena okružena je misterijom, od njezinog nastanka do njezinog prikazanja javnosti.



....a nije to jedini auto napravljen u rijeci....60 tih godina je jedan gospodin Dele, sa Trsata, napravil jedan izuzetan auto, mali coupe na bazi fićeka... auto je neslavno završil negdje u Zgb, a 70tih godina je u motomagazinu izašal članak o tom autu...
..a poznato je da je i grupa entuzijasta u Matuljima napravila jedan prototip na šasiji od Fiata 1100, u jednom Novom listu, pred godinu dana izašla je i slika...
..to bi DMJ sve trebal istražit

[Alfa_gtv]

 

.......

a kad se dotičemo teme raritetnih automobila iz našeg kraja samo bi napomenul da je šezdesetih godina izvjesni gospodin Dele, sa Trsata, napravil mali sportski coupe na Fićinoj bazi,
a u Matuljima je pedesetih godina napravljen isto jedan interesantni model na šasiji od Fiata 11oo
ako netko ima kakve fotografije tih egzemplara, bilo bi divno za pogledat.

[ijuric]

pa sta mases, ni se to odonda promjenilo  ja ih nisam vidila nazalost 

[Alfa_gtv]

 :hehe:  samo podsječam da je i dalje ostalo isto, tj identično 

[ijuric]

dobro dobro svatili smo da imas dobru memoriju  :hehe:

[Alfa_gtv]

ko slon, sve pamtim 

[veloce]

..vidim, vidim, da se ponavljam
a niš, moram u akciju i pronač slike
..za dele-a san već nešto i dogovaral...

[Stanko]

mi u Rijeci smo poznati inovatori...bio je svojevremeno i onaj sajam INOVA kod nas...ne znam jel' se to još održava...a da ne pričam o torpedima...kojih (hvala bogu) i dan danas ekipa s kočama vadi po našem akvatoriju Kvarnera....a bogami se i svako malo poneka bombica iskopa  (kao danas npr) :

[veloce]

...aerodinamica spider 6c u buenos airesu...

[gwrg]

u EVO magazinu su spominjali ovaj auto kao primjer napuhane price, tocnije jedan kolumnist je pisao kako vlasnik vjerovatno pravi pricu o autu samo kako bi mu digao cijenu 

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http://player.video.news.com.au/carsguide/?u72OE2QwnXXYaeennhNU9iwaL5cWIsir

[veloce]

http://www.tourofistria.com/index_files/contact.htm

Oscar and Gino Jankovits testing a self made chassis with rear central mounted Alfa Romeo 6C 2300 engine
1936-38 Rijeka

[veloce]

http://www.classicandperformancecar.com/features/octane_features/233224/alfa_romeo_aerodinamica_spider.html

[danko0013]

jel to samo ta jedna putuje po svjetu ili su napravili par replika jer vidim razlike u detaljima :

[a.m.alfa]

jel to samo ta jedna putuje po svjetu ili su napravili par replika jer vidim razlike u detaljima :

koliko znam samo je No:1 i još nije gotov 100% ni dan danas

[dado]

Veoma zanimljiva Alfica zbog koje sam se bacio u malo istraživanje... 
...pa naišao na ovo...

c/p: Classic and Sportscar (UK), Mick Walsh

Alfa Union

How did a small garage in eastern Europe beat the Alfa factory to a mid engined layout? Mick Walsh reckons the Jankovits special was inspired by the Silver Arrow.

You wouldn't automatically associate Rijeka on the Adriatic coast with automotive innovation. The bustling Croatian port, where the torpedo was designed, had a tough time between the wars, with control running from the fallen Habsburg Empire to a Nazi puppet state, but the core of its populace was Italian. In this unsettled environment, one of the era's most intriguing sports cars was designed and built by two young, qualified architects, determined to put Rijeka, or Fiume in Italian, on the automotive map.

Little is known about the brothers Gino and Oscar Jankovits but, by the 1930s, they'd given up architecture to focus on automotive engineering. Based in a port better known for shipbuilding, they built a garage business that reportedly included an Alfa Romeo dealership. During 1935, they completed drawings of an innovative mid engined sports car, with independent suspension and central driving position. This three-seater was styled with all enveloping, streamlined bodywork, possibly influenced by another Hungarian born engineer, Paul Jaray, former chief designer at the Zeppelin works. After WWI, Jaray had patented his theories for aerodynamic car bodies and the grandfather of streamlining produced wind cheating saloons on several German marques. The Jankovits brothers must have been aware of his work. No doubt the sensational debut of Ferdinand Porsche's Auto Union A type, with its mid-mounted V16 engine, early in 1934 at Avus also made a big impression. And maybe they witnessed Nuvolati beat Rosemeyer around the Budapest Gardens in 1936.

Progress on the construction of the Jankovits design was slow. Story has it that, through connections at the Alfa Romeo factory, they made contact with Vittorio Jano. The legendary Turin born engineer was struggling against the fascist pride of the state controlled firm and, after failing to deliver a GP car capable of beating the German teams, was sacked by Alfa manager Ugo Gobbato. Aero engine manufacture was then the priority at Alfa so, against such pressure, it's unlikely Jano would have had much time for the Jankovits brothers. But he may have given them a new generation 6C 2300.

Rumours that Jano allowed the duo to build the special in the Alfa factory seem implausible, particularly because Jano had enough problems of his own. Quite When the car was completed isn't known but it's thought it entered several local events, with mule type bodywork. During restoration the present engine was dated to 1938, which further confuses its timeline, but earlier mounts suggest that the box section chassis was possibly used with a larger motor.

Jano's successor at Alfa Romeo was Catalan engineer Wifredo Ricart, who'd fled from the Spanish Civil War to run the diverse technical divisions at the huge new Portello plant. Among Ricart's many projects was the Tipo 512 GP car, with mid mounted flat 12 engine, which was never fully developed due to the outbreak of war. Also on his drawing board was a mid engined racing coupe with 16 cylinder power detuned for endurance, but this too was abandoned when his design team moved to Lago d' Orta after the first allied bombings hit Portello.

Various reports on the Jankovits Alfa suggest that it was a prototype for Ricart's Tipo 163 but this seems ridiculous. As advanced as the Jankovits special was, it had little in common with Ricart's design which featured tubular chassis and a de Dion rear with Watt linkage and two massive drilled radius arms running rearwards from the hubs to a pick up on a frame extension around the gearbox. Alfa's in house workmanship was to a high order so it makes no sense that it would have used a home built special to test its new engine. If the true timeline of the Jankovits Alfa could be confirmed, it would pre date the factory with its mid engine and wishbone front suspension. During rebuild all the components were found to be methodically numbered, and extensively drilled for lightness maybe to compensate for the heavy steel bodywork.

Just like Ricart's prototype Tipo 512s, which were spirited away to a cheese factory, the Jankovits Alfa was hidden during WW2, though with peace the situation in Rijeka was very, different from that in Italy. Maybe because of its rumoured royal connections, the Jankovits family was forced to flee the newly established People's Republic of Yugoslavia. Its automotive business and property were seized by the new communist regime under Marshal Tito when Rijeka was occupied, but the brothers were determined to save the prototype. In Boys Own comic style, the car was driven at night across the closed border. During the restoration, several dents were suggested to be from bullets fired by guards as the streamliner roared into Italy.

Having lost almost everything, the Jankovits brothers were forced to sell their Alfa and, while based in Trieste, it was spotted by a US serviceman who had it shipped back to America. What happened to it during the ensuing 20 years isn't recorded, but it seems to have remained in storage with little use until discovered by Ed Duras of the Vintage Car Store in Nyack, New York.

Legendary antique car hunter Colin Crabbe was one of the few who took an interest in the mystery machine.

"It was a queer looking thing, recalls Crabbe. "The rear bonnet had been removed and a small petrol tank had been strapped on behind the engine. I contacted Luigi Fusi at the Alfa Romeo museum, and he was insistent it was nothing more than a special. No one was interested in it then and I had a devil of a job selling the thing."

Eventually Malcolm Templeton, an Alfa dealer and racer from Northern Ireland, was tempted by the project but again little was done to the car. In the mid '80s, another collector Neil Crabb heard rumours of an intriguing Alfa prototype stashed away in a barn in Ireland. After a visit, he did a deal with Templeton and the car was on the move again, but Crabb soon sold it to Leeds based classic car dealer Phil Bennett. Michael Ware, then curator of the National Motor Museum, took an interest in the machine and even borrowed it for display at Beaulieu in the hope that more details would come to light.

In the end the car found an appreciative home in Italy and, in 2004 near Modena, it finally got the restoration it had long deserved. In February, French auction house Artcurial, through its Italy based consultant Franco Meiners, consigned the restored Jankovits car for its Paris auction during Retromobile's opening weekend. Not surprisingly, the prototype was the talk of the town. News of its sale even reached two Paris based members of the Royal Automobile Club of Hungary "Out of the blue I received an e mail from this mystery woman," Meiners explains. "She said the Jankovits family had royal connections and were dealers in motorbikes as well as running a coachworks in Fiume. The brothers also raced in Hungary and Italy."

Discrepancies over the Alfa's history remain unresolved. Why was such an advanced chassis fitted with a heavy steel body if the Jankovits brothers had intended to race it? The few pre WW2 photographs show the bodywork in various stages of construction, and it's possible the rest wasn't finished until after the war. Although badged with the crests of Swiss coachbuilder Graber, it's believed that Hermann Graber was a friend of the Jankovits family and only advised them on the body build. Hammering out those long streamlined wings was done by local artisans in the Jankovits workshops, maybe redundant ship workers, but it must have been a challenging process.

Before the auction we visited the car with pre-war Alfa expert Alain de Cadenet, who, like us, was captivated by the one off. Prior to the display inside the shopping hall. at the Palais des Congres, the Jankovits special was readied for a short run. The rear hinged doors are opened via flush fitted vertical handles set low in the body side. Once you've clambered across the bench style seat to the centre driving position, it is immediately clear how cramped the cockpit is. The three spoke steering wheel is close to the driver's chest, resulting in very bent arms to wind on lock. On a twisty road, passengers on either side would soon get tired of the driver's restless torso and pumping elbows. The column runs to the floor, splitting the pedals, with brake on the left, and throttle and clutch paired on the right Even a short driver would have to hunch down to protect his forehead from the wind-stream The narrow fork of the front chassis members sits proud of the floor, with vintage gear selector mounted to the right, and brake to the left. The dash is dominated by a large rev counter in the centre but surprisingly there's no speedometer maybe hinting at the constructors' competitive ambitions. The ancillary gauges are divided, with oil pressure and petrol on the left, plus water temperature and ammeter to the right.

Once the triple Webers are primed, the engine barks into life with a rorty exhaust rasp, accompanied by the top end sizzle from the twin cam gears and three sucking carb trumpets directly behind. Considering the length of the gear linkage, the selector is surprisingly precise, with first away in the top right of the polished Ferrari style gate. Quite how it would respond to faster changes as speeds and revs increase we didn't discover.

The steering is the weakest feature. So heavy is its very direct action that we were initially convinced there was column lock. Slow manoeuvring requires body weight to turn the wheel yet once up to speed it lightens, claims Meiners. Paris city traffic was no place to explore the car's handling but there's no doubt about the interest it creates. Just imagine the reaction as it came up on to the starting ramp at the Mille Miglia or Pebble Beach. That pleasure still awaits a new owner, because, frustratingly, the Jankovits Alfa was withdrawn prior to the auction, so its market value is still untested. "In France, you are legally responsible for what is written in the auction catalogue for 10 years after the sale," says Meiners. 'We're still learning about the car, and want the information to be correct. I'm planning to take it to a few Italian shows and it's been invited to Villa d' Este. Hopefully more of its history will come to light."

[dado]

Intervju sa sadašnjim vlasnikom:
Alfa Romeo Jankovitz 6C 2300

Izvor: Oldtimer-tv.com

[a.m.alfa]

http://psychoontyres.blogspot.com/2011/07/ce-nest-pas-une-alfa-romeo-jankowits.html

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Oscar and Gino Jankovits testing a self made chassis with rear central mounted Alfa Romeo 6C 2300 engine
1936-38 Rijeka surrounding.