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« u: 20-01-2009, 12:25:04 »
Ovo je prilika da se Alfa konačno vrati na američko tržište :ok:

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« Zadnja izmjena: 05-02-2021, 19:47:24 od a.m.alfa »
Alfa Romeo is something special. It occupies a place apart. It is a kind of disease, this passion for a means of transport. It is a way of life, a very special way of thinking about a powered vehicle."
 

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« Odgovori #1 u: 20-01-2009, 12:30:04 »
Taj Chrysler je uklet, kada se Mercedes udružio s njim (otprilike 1:1), nakon 2 godine je kompletna udruga Daimler-Crysler vrijedila manje nego sam Mercedes prije udruživanja.
 

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« Odgovori #2 u: 20-01-2009, 12:41:13 »
mislim da če Fiat morat uložit ogromnu lovu da Chryslera digne na noge :da:
Chrysler trenutno nema modela koji se dobro prodaje, a i image marke se totalno srozao :rolll:
Alfa Romeo is something special. It occupies a place apart. It is a kind of disease, this passion for a means of transport. It is a way of life, a very special way of thinking about a powered vehicle."
 

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« Odgovori #3 u: 20-01-2009, 12:42:38 »
Fiat se jedva izvukao a sad će opet u bananu :)
Dok pametniji popuštaju, budale vladaju svijetom...
 

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« Odgovori #4 u: 20-01-2009, 12:47:16 »

Ma ovako:
Fiat NE kupuje Chrysler,več radi se o koperaciji !!!
Fiat če prodavat male motore i tehničku podršku.
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« Odgovori #5 u: 20-01-2009, 12:59:48 »
Tako je, nikakvo kupovanje ni spajanje nije u pitanju. Fiat investira u Chrysler jer je to upravo ono što mu treba. Ameri, s obzirom na krizu u autoindustriji, Fiatu uvjetuju ulazak na američko tržište time da zahtjevaju da se vozila za njihovo tržište sklapaju u SAD-u. S druge strane, ameri nikad nisu znali napraviti mali štedljivi (za njihove pojmove) auto sa prednjim pogonom, a to je ono što bi se s obzirom na krizu trebalo dobro prodavati. Chrysler dobija Fiatove platforme i motore, Fiat dobija proizvodne pogone i distribucijsku mrežu u SAD-u. Fiat bi trebao preuzeti i distribuciju Chryslerovih vozila u Europi.
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« Odgovori #6 u: 20-01-2009, 13:04:59 »
Tako je, nikakvo kupovanje ni spajanje nije u pitanju. Fiat investira u Chrysler jer je to upravo ono što mu treba. Ameri, s obzirom na krizu u autoindustriji, Fiatu uvjetuju ulazak na američko tržište time da zahtjevaju da se vozila za njihovo tržište sklapaju u SAD-u. S druge strane, ameri nikad nisu znali napraviti mali štedljivi (za njihove pojmove) auto sa prednjim pogonom, a to je ono što bi se s obzirom na krizu trebalo dobro prodavati. Chrysler dobija Fiatove platforme i motore, Fiat dobija proizvodne pogone i distribucijsku mrežu u SAD-u. Fiat bi trebao preuzeti i distribuciju Chryslerovih vozila u Europi.
To je to!  :ok:
 

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« Odgovori #7 u: 20-01-2009, 13:10:06 »
E ljudi moji do cega je doslo,da fiat spasava chrysler.........svaka cast,mozda ce kod njih biti cijene dosta nize nego tu,pa cemo alfa dijelove kupovati u SAD-u........zivio Obama!!!! :hehe: :hehe: :hehe: :hehe: :hehe:
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« Odgovori #8 u: 20-01-2009, 13:14:23 »
promjenio sam naziv teme :craz

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« Odgovori #9 u: 20-01-2009, 14:42:37 »
DETROIT — Chrysler announced Tuesday it's entering a global strategic alliance with Italian automaker Fiat, giving Fiat 35% of Chrysler in exchange for access to Fiat's fuel-efficient car platforms and other assetts.
The deal would give both automakers the ability to compete around the world, with economies of scale and global dealer networks. Fiat will offer Chrysler product and platform sharing, including compact cars and even smaller city cars, fuel efficient and environmentally friendly powertrain technologies, and access to markets outside the U.S. That's all Fiat is offering at the moment; it is not committing to make a cash infusion to Chrysler or funding Chrysler in the future.
Chrysler CEO Bob Nardelli has said he's been open to strategic partnerships for Chrysler, which recently received a $4 billion in government loans for the automaker and $1.5 billion in loans for its finance arm. Nardelli says he expects more government help after March 31, and the press release noted that the Fiat deal complies with the terms of Chrysler's loan from the U.S. Treasury.

In an interview with journalists last week, Nardelli said he thought partnerships were key to all of the automaker's survival. He admired the partnership between Nissan and Renault, which gives a Japanese automaker and a French automaker cost efficiencies.

"It's crazy that three companies in one town can't do what two companies in different countries can do," he told reporters at the North American International Auto Show last week. "It's crazy that the U.S. automakers can't get together and be more of a force."


"This transaction will enable Chrysler to offer a broader competitive line-up of vehicles for our dealers and customers that meet emissions and fuel efficiency standards, while adhering to conditions of the government loan," he said. "The partnership would also provide a return on investment for the American taxpayer by securing the long-term viability of Chrysler brands in the marketplace, sustaining future product and technology development for our country and building renewed consumer confidence, while preserving American jobs."

Chrysler and General Motors held merger discussions last fall, just as both automakers were struggling to survive and Chrysler was almost running out of money. Talks fell through when GM's financial situations worsened and the automakers couldn't convince the U.S. government to step in and help finance the deal.

The deal already has the blessing of United Auto Workers President Ron Gettelfinger.

"This is great news for the UAW Chrysler team and we look forward to supporting and working with them to ensure Chrysler's long term viability," said Gettelfinger said in the company's press release.

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« Odgovori #10 u: 20-01-2009, 16:33:41 »
Tako je, nikakvo kupovanje ni spajanje nije u pitanju. Fiat investira u Chrysler jer je to upravo ono što mu treba. Ameri, s obzirom na krizu u autoindustriji, Fiatu uvjetuju ulazak na američko tržište time da zahtjevaju da se vozila za njihovo tržište sklapaju u SAD-u. S druge strane, ameri nikad nisu znali napraviti mali štedljivi (za njihove pojmove) auto sa prednjim pogonom, a to je ono što bi se s obzirom na krizu trebalo dobro prodavati. Chrysler dobija Fiatove platforme i motore, Fiat dobija proizvodne pogone i distribucijsku mrežu u SAD-u. Fiat bi trebao preuzeti i distribuciju Chryslerovih vozila u Europi.

to je dijelomično točno
tj fiat je usao ili ulazi u vlasnistvo chryslera sa 35%!!!!!!
a ima opciju da je prosiri na 55%
" Fiat e Chrysler starebbero lavorando a un'alleanza in base alla quale la casa torinese rileverebbe il 35% del costruttore americano, con un'opzione per salire fino al 55% del capitale da esercitare più avanti."
izvor je ansa

znaci bas ulaGAnja i ima udijo u kapital od američke firme,,a ostalo je sve točno,tako bi usli na američko trziste sa 500 i alfom,i isto tako kontrolirali bi europsko trziste chrislera u europi
ALFA147SS,SUPERSPRINT,OZ-ULTRA,SPRINTFILTER,CSC,COLOMBO&BARIANI
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« Odgovori #11 u: 20-01-2009, 22:43:44 »
Citat:
The BBC website reports: "Under the terms of the deal, Fiat will get a 35% stake in Chrysler. In return, the US firm will get access to Fiat's fuel-efficient vehicle technologies".

Yeh, this is probably how the meeting will go: "OK Mr Montezemolo, here's your 35% of our company. Now tell us the secret of your fuel efficient vehicles"

- "Well Mister Press. You take-a da big boom boom engine outta your motor car, and you replace it wida little bambino engine from de Punto. Si"

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« Odgovori #12 u: 21-01-2009, 11:53:35 »
Mislim da su to Ameri malo naredili. Isto ko i s GM. Zna se tko je sef :craz
 

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« Odgovori #13 u: 21-01-2009, 22:43:11 »
možda ovo i nije loše - Fiat definitivno zajedno sa Chryslerom propada i u bankrotu prodaje nekome Alfu, Lanciu, Ferrari i Maseratti.
Ne bi to bilo loše - niko neće žaliti - kome trbeju Fiati, Opleli, Renaulti itd. a moći ćemo uživati u samostalnoj Alfi bez Fiatove kugle na nozi.
Naravno ovo je SF ali bi bilo super kada bi se ostvarilo

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« Odgovori #14 u: 21-01-2009, 22:46:09 »
U ovom tvom SF ja vidim kako VW kupuje Alfu...  :metak :metak :metak

Bolje je ovako kako je sad!  :hap:
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« Odgovori #15 u: 21-01-2009, 22:48:07 »
U ovom tvom SF ja vidim kako VW kupuje Alfu...  :metak :metak :metak

Bolje je ovako kako je sad!  :hap:

to ne bi bio SF nego HOROR! :henker:
 

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« Odgovori #16 u: 21-01-2009, 23:09:39 »
ja ne želim da fiat propadne. Nemam niš protiv fiata.
A kome bi išla alfa? BMW-u? Samostalno nemre opstat, ak ode državi nazad to smo već imali i završilo je jadno. Čitaj prodajom fiatu.
« Zadnja izmjena: 24-04-2009, 14:26:12 od Isus »
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« Odgovori #17 u: 22-01-2009, 10:42:45 »
Fiat e Chrysler: i perchĂŠ dell'Alleanza

Za one koji razumiju talijanski - prilično opširan članak o ovoj temi koji zbilja dobro opisuje praktički sve aspekte ovog dogovora. Isplati se pročitati.

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« Odgovori #18 u: 27-01-2009, 12:04:37 »
Evo nešto i o novim V6 Phoenix motorima koje razvija Chrysler i koji bi se možda mogli naći u budućim Alfama....

At least one observer said that the Phoenix engines — currently V6 — were at least a generation ahead of anything currently available. The Phoenix engine project is alive and is expected to survive any merger or takeover.
On December 3, 2008, Chrysler confirmed that the Phoenix engine plants in Trenton and Saltillo, Mexico will be the only sources of the Phoenix engine. Early production is scheduled for summer 2009 with “real” production starting in late 2009.
This report came on November 3, 2008:
A supplier (identity confirmed) reported on Chrysler’s upcoming Phoenix V6 engines, saying that they would be certain to survive any takeovers or mergers. “They’re good on mileage and power, and they’re very quiet,” said the supplier.
According to Chrysler presentations, even the most powerful Phoenix, displacing 3.6 liters and producing (in preliminary tests) over 280 horsepower, is quieter than Toyota’s 3.3 liter V6 - and far quieter than the Toyota 3.5 liter V6. Gas mileage is said to be good, partly due to the use of high-pressure, die-cast blocks, which save on labor and allow for thinner walls and less use of aluminum. These blocks are 20 pounds lighter than General Motors‘ V6 blocks, saving around $40 per engine on aluminum alone; an independent firm estimated that these engines are at least $300 cheaper to build than GM’s current V6 line.
Chrysler wrote that: “The new Phoenix of V-6 engines will feature cylinder deactivation (MDS)...the engine will operate efficiently on three cylinders when less power is needed, and in V-6 mode when more power is needed. This optimizes fuel economy when V-6 power is not required – without sacrificing vehicle performance or capability.
“The new family of V-6 engines will feature an aluminum die cast block, dual variable valve timing (VVT) and a two-stage oil pump, among other technologies. The end result is an expected across-the-board V-6 fuel efficiency improvement of six to eight percent – in addition to new levels of V-6 power, performance and refinement.” Allpar note: the key words here are both performance and refinement!
As of July 2007, the engine was still reportedly in early-development status, but was feature-complete; ongoing work dealt with tuning, calibration, and emissions. We are certain that direct injection will be used in at least one of the Phoenix engines.
The following table was first provided in July 2006 with information from oh20, in a form not dissimilar from its current state; he updated the chart at the end of November 2008 to the following. All engines have variable valve timing unless otherwise noted.

 
3.3 V6 VVT Sebring, Avenger, Minivans
3.3 V6 Direct Injection Challenger, Charger, Minivans, Grand Cherokee, Durango, Aspen
3.3 V6 DI/HEV Sebring, Avenger, 300, Minivans
3.3 V6 MDS Sebring, Avenger, Minivans
3.6 V6 VVT Multiple models
3.6 V6 Direct Injection Ram, Wrangler
3.6 V6 MDS Challenger, Charger, 300, Minivans, Grand Cherokee, Durango, Aspen
3.6 V6 HEV Minivans
3.6 V6 PZEV Sebring, Avenger, Minivans
4.0 V6 Base (no VVT) marine use
4.0 V6 Premium, MDS, no VVT marine use
4.7 V8 VVT  Ram, Charger, 300, Dakota, Grand Cherokee, Durango, Aspen

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« Odgovori #19 u: 27-01-2009, 20:30:05 »
phoenix v6 iliti golo govno...dosta nam je gm blok u alfi, a kamoli ovakvo smeće...
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« Odgovori #20 u: 27-01-2009, 21:17:18 »
E ljudi moji do cega je doslo,da fiat spasava chrysler.........svaka cast,mozda ce kod njih biti cijene dosta nize nego tu,pa cemo alfa dijelove kupovati u SAD-u........zivio Obama!!!! :hehe: :hehe: :hehe: :hehe: :hehe:

Djelove za Alfu odavno prakticiram kupovat u SAD-u,cak i one proizvedene u Italiji  :ok:
 

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« Odgovori #21 u: 27-01-2009, 21:20:06 »
Slažem se piquetom. I JTS je trebao biti revolucionaran a ispao je drek.

Draže bi mi bilo da FIAT malo otpusti uzicu i prepusti alfi razvijanje motora. Ili nek napokon slože FIRE motore s većom kubikažom i snagom to bi bio pravi posao. Izdržljivi jednostavni i ne kvare se.
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« Odgovori #22 u: 27-01-2009, 21:23:42 »
Slažem se piquetom. I JTS je trebao biti revolucionaran a ispao je drek.

Draže bi mi bilo da FIAT malo otpusti uzicu i prepusti alfi razvijanje motora. Ili nek napokon slože FIRE motore s većom kubikažom i snagom to bi bio pravi posao. Izdržljivi jednostavni i ne kvare se.

Sta opce znaci ono TS u JTS oznaci  :?: :?: :?:
 

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« Odgovori #23 u: 27-01-2009, 21:28:03 »
Jet Thrust Stoichiometric
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« Odgovori #24 u: 27-01-2009, 21:30:26 »
StEhiometric. :hap:
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« Odgovori #25 u: 27-01-2009, 21:31:00 »
Tako je, nikakvo kupovanje ni spajanje nije u pitanju. Fiat investira u Chrysler jer je to upravo ono što mu treba. Ameri, s obzirom na krizu u autoindustriji, Fiatu uvjetuju ulazak na američko tržište time da zahtjevaju da se vozila za njihovo tržište sklapaju u SAD-u. S druge strane, ameri nikad nisu znali napraviti mali štedljivi (za njihove pojmove) auto sa prednjim pogonom, a to je ono što bi se s obzirom na krizu trebalo dobro prodavati. Chrysler dobija Fiatove platforme i motore, Fiat dobija proizvodne pogone i distribucijsku mrežu u SAD-u. Fiat bi trebao preuzeti i distribuciju Chryslerovih vozila u Europi.

Ako crhysler odnosno inv. fond cerberus koji je vlasnik 80% chryslera, daje 35% dionica u zamjenu za investiranje američke pogone od strane fiata, tada fiat mora svejedno malo potrošit pare.  Al svejedno, mislim da je ovo  najlukaviji potez fiata do sada. Malo im pomoći, na kraju otkupiti, al puno dobiti i kratkoročno i dugoročno.  :ok:
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« Odgovori #26 u: 27-01-2009, 21:34:16 »
neznam baš. FIAt se uvijek muči s finacijama a mercedes je odustao od Chryslera jer je bio preveliki uteg, ko i Rover za BMW.
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« Odgovori #27 u: 27-01-2009, 21:49:12 »
Za 10 godina ce se i onako sva auta radit na istoj platformi  :) :) :)
Ja bi najvise volija da se Alfa uda negdi u Swabiju,ko i Lamborghini  :ok:
 

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« Odgovori #28 u: 27-01-2009, 21:56:29 »
Evo sta pise na koricama manuala za globalno udruzivanje auto industrije

Heaven Is Where:

The French are the chefs
The Italians are the lovers
The British are the police
The Germans are the mechanics
And the Swiss make everything run on time

Hell is Where:

The British are the chefs
The Swiss are the lovers
The French are the mechanics
The Italians make everything run on time
And the Germans are the police
 

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Evo sta pise na koricama manuala za globalno udruzivanje auto industrije

Heaven Is Where:

The French are the chefs
The Italians are the lovers
The British are the police
The Germans are the mechanics
And the Swiss make everything run on time

Hell is Where:

The British are the chefs
The Swiss are the lovers
The French are the mechanics
The Italians make everything run on time
And the Germans are the police

istina!
Kockasti auto, najbolji auto.